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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Thanks, Charlie.  Noted, and&lt;br /&gt;Thanks, Charlie.  Noted, and updated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Charlie.  Noted, and<br />Thanks, Charlie.  Noted, and updated.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Thanks, Steve.  I edited my&lt;br /&gt;Thanks, Steve.  I edited my post in Word, and then pasted it in here -- I&#039;m afraid the second quote was garbled in the pasting.  Thanks for the heads-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Steve.  I edited my<br />Thanks, Steve.  I edited my post in Word, and then pasted it in here &#8212; I&#8217;m afraid the second quote was garbled in the pasting.  Thanks for the heads-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Joe - I completely agree&lt;br /&gt;Joe - I completely agree that traditional RAID is a technology that has some usability issues.  I&#039;m excited that Microsoft is trying to address them.  My nervousness comes mainly from lack of transparency in terms of how the new file system is going to work.  As a software developer, I understand how an underlying design affects usability and dictates operational parameters, and I&#039;d like to understand these things before committing important files to this system.

There are clear signs that the Home Server team &quot;gets it&quot; when it comes to reliability - I really like the idea of a &quot;divorce-able offense&quot;.  That&#039;s the right way to look at protecting this data; now, let&#039;s start talking about how it&#039;s going to happen.

We all (us propeller-heads) understand RAID.  I don&#039;t yet understand how Home Server is going to achieve reliability, nor what the yield for new space will be (how much of each new drive will be available for storage), nor what the limitations of this scheme will be.

For example, it stands to reason that if I have a 500 GB disk and a 100 GB disk, I&#039;ll have something less than 600 GB available for storage, but how much less.  If the 100 GB disk dies, it&#039;s reasonable to believe that I won&#039;t lose any data, but if the 500 GB disk dies, I will.  What, then, are the guidelines for configuring disks such that I have a reliable platform?  We understand all these things for RAID, but we don&#039;t yet understand them for Home Server.  We need to.

One of the reasons I pointed out Infrant is that they do a very credible job of explaining what X-RAID is, how it differs from RAID, what the benefits are, and how it works.  I get X-RAID.  I like it.  I&#039;d store my photos there because I know what makes it tick.

I&#039;m not suggesting that Microsoft avoid innovating, I&#039;m suggesting that if they&#039;re going to ask me to store my wedding pictures on this thing, I&#039;d like to understand why I should believe that they&#039;re safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &#8211; I completely agree<br />Joe &#8211; I completely agree that traditional RAID is a technology that has some usability issues.  I&#8217;m excited that Microsoft is trying to address them.  My nervousness comes mainly from lack of transparency in terms of how the new file system is going to work.  As a software developer, I understand how an underlying design affects usability and dictates operational parameters, and I&#8217;d like to understand these things before committing important files to this system.</p>
<p>There are clear signs that the Home Server team &#8220;gets it&#8221; when it comes to reliability &#8211; I really like the idea of a &#8220;divorce-able offense&#8221;.  That&#8217;s the right way to look at protecting this data; now, let&#8217;s start talking about how it&#8217;s going to happen.</p>
<p>We all (us propeller-heads) understand RAID.  I don&#8217;t yet understand how Home Server is going to achieve reliability, nor what the yield for new space will be (how much of each new drive will be available for storage), nor what the limitations of this scheme will be.</p>
<p>For example, it stands to reason that if I have a 500 GB disk and a 100 GB disk, I&#8217;ll have something less than 600 GB available for storage, but how much less.  If the 100 GB disk dies, it&#8217;s reasonable to believe that I won&#8217;t lose any data, but if the 500 GB disk dies, I will.  What, then, are the guidelines for configuring disks such that I have a reliable platform?  We understand all these things for RAID, but we don&#8217;t yet understand them for Home Server.  We need to.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I pointed out Infrant is that they do a very credible job of explaining what X-RAID is, how it differs from RAID, what the benefits are, and how it works.  I get X-RAID.  I like it.  I&#8217;d store my photos there because I know what makes it tick.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that Microsoft avoid innovating, I&#8217;m suggesting that if they&#8217;re going to ask me to store my wedding pictures on this thing, I&#8217;d like to understand why I should believe that they&#8217;re safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Hey there. I&#039;m Charlie&lt;br /&gt;Hey there. I&#039;m Charlie Kindel (cek.log is my Blog). I&#039;m the General Manager for Windows Home Server... I hope that clears up confusion about who I am :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there. I&#8217;m Charlie<br />Hey there. I&#8217;m Charlie Kindel (cek.log is my Blog). I&#8217;m the General Manager for Windows Home Server&#8230; I hope that clears up confusion about who I am <img src='http://blog.componentoriented.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Hi - you&#039;ve got a spurious&lt;br /&gt;Hi - you&#039;ve got a spurious quote char at the end of all the related links that&#039;s causing them to fail.

Cheers, Steve</description>
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<p>Cheers, Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>(I happen to work at&lt;br /&gt;(I happen to work at Microsoft but have nothing remotely to do with Windows Home Server, other than wanting to use one at home)

From the Paul Thurrott article:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;RAID is an insect spray,&quot; he cracked. &quot;With RAID, you must understand the technology, add disks in sets, and its hard to remove drives.&quot; With WHS, storage is hot-swappable. You can plug in an 80 GB hard drive, for example, and configure it quickly with the WHS Add Drive wizard. When you want to remove it and replace it with a 500 GB drive, there&#039;s a simple wizard for that as well.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t know a ton about RAID, but it seems pretty clear to me that modifying existing arrays (either adding or removing drives) is a problem with RAID--pretty much the only scenario that doesn&#039;t require you to rebuild the array is replacing a failed drive with an identical one (at least with RAID 0 or 5), unless you are just talking about adding RAID 1 pairs. From this description, WHS allows you to use whatever heterogeneous collection of drives you have, and add and remove arbitrary drives without much trouble.

Parts of what WHS offers don&#039;t seem new (I&#039;ve used LVM on Fedora, which worked well although it was far from friendly and doesn&#039;t provide redundancy by itself), but for the target market, it seems pretty accurate to me that this has it &lt;em&gt;all over&lt;/em&gt; RAID--if it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I happen to work at<br />(I happen to work at Microsoft but have nothing remotely to do with Windows Home Server, other than wanting to use one at home)</p>
<p>From the Paul Thurrott article:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;RAID is an insect spray,&#8221; he cracked. &#8220;With RAID, you must understand the technology, add disks in sets, and its hard to remove drives.&#8221; With WHS, storage is hot-swappable. You can plug in an 80 GB hard drive, for example, and configure it quickly with the WHS Add Drive wizard. When you want to remove it and replace it with a 500 GB drive, there&#8217;s a simple wizard for that as well.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know a ton about RAID, but it seems pretty clear to me that modifying existing arrays (either adding or removing drives) is a problem with RAID&#8211;pretty much the only scenario that doesn&#8217;t require you to rebuild the array is replacing a failed drive with an identical one (at least with RAID 0 or 5), unless you are just talking about adding RAID 1 pairs. From this description, WHS allows you to use whatever heterogeneous collection of drives you have, and add and remove arbitrary drives without much trouble.</p>
<p>Parts of what WHS offers don&#8217;t seem new (I&#8217;ve used LVM on Fedora, which worked well although it was far from friendly and doesn&#8217;t provide redundancy by itself), but for the target market, it seems pretty accurate to me that this has it <em>all over</em> RAID&#8211;if it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.componentoriented.com/2007/01/windows_home_server-good_or_evil/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
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		<description>This includes the server&lt;br /&gt;This includes the server editions of Microsoft Windows operating system itself, as well as products targeted at the wider business market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This includes the server<br />This includes the server editions of Microsoft Windows operating system itself, as well as products targeted at the wider business market.</p>
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